Life and Times of Lloyd Dupont

A short story of nearly everything...

Something inspiring

clock April 20, 2010 09:53 by author lloyd

Today I stumbled upon this story “Once Branded a coward he fights for PTSD victims” on Yahoo news, simply inspiring!

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. – They call him the angry guy now. Even his friends. And at this moment, on a snowy evening when he should be home, putting his son to bed, Andrew Pogany is, in fact, ticked off.

He sits with a soldier in a law office. The man has brought with him a pile of medical files, and another desperate story: Sent off to war to fight for his country. Diagnosed, now, with post-traumatic stress disorder. Yet the Army, the soldier tells Pogany, is drawing up papers to discharge him in a way that could mean no medical benefits.

The soldier confides he thinks about killing himself. All the time, he says.

Pogany makes sure he has his cell number. Then he copies the medical records, and recommends a book by a Vietnam veteran turned Zen monk. The man once helped Pogany through his own tough times. Maybe the monk's words will help this guy hang on.

Two hours behind closed doors, then a handshake and the soldier leaves. Pogany seethes.

"Disgusting," he fumes. "This is so disgusting."

Yes, Andrew Pogany is angry again. But he shrugs off such labels. Better to be called angry than to be branded a coward by the very military he signed up to serve, as the Army did to him back in 2003.

When the military tried to prosecute him, anger motivated Pogany to fight. When he began thinking about taking his own life, anger helped quiet the despair and kept him from getting a gun. When service members like this one started coming to him for help, anger drove him to fight on, for them.

He likes to say that the "anger monkey" saved him. He'll need that anger to have a shot at saving this soldier, too.

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Nov. 6, 2003. Pogany sat in his old house in Colorado Springs, watching CNN. Suddenly his own face appeared on the screen alongside that of Jessica Lynch, as Paula Zahn asked the country a question:

"So what makes a hero a hero, and a coward a coward?"

Lynch, the former Army supply clerk rescued after being captured by Iraqi forces, was, of course, the hero.

Pogany was the man with the brand: the coward.

We were just eight months into the war in Iraq. The now-common stories of combat stress, soldiers committing suicide, guys coming home and getting into trouble with the law, the military grappling with how to deal with it all, weren't yet all over the news.

Pogany, the coward, was.

He deployed to Iraq in September 2003, a 32-year-old staff sergeant trained in intelligence and interrogation. Based at Fort Carson in Colorado Springs, he volunteered to go to war with a team of Green Berets when another soldier couldn't.

Then, only a few days in-country, Pogany saw the shredded body of a gunned-down Iraqi. He had what he thought was a panic attack — vomiting, hallucinations. A psychologist concluded he'd had a normal combat stress reaction and recommended rest, then back to duty.

Instead, Pogany's commanders shipped him back to Fort Carson, and he was charged with "cowardly conduct as a result of fear," a crime punishable by death under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The last such conviction in the Army occurred during the Vietnam War.

Pogany wasn't convicted. He and his attorney produced findings that showed the breakdown was likely a reaction to the anti-malaria drug Lariam, which has side effects that may include paranoia and hallucinations. The Army eventually dropped all charges, finding Pogany had "a medical problem that requires care and treatment."

In April 2005, Pogany was medically retired from the Army, with full benefits.

He tells the story now, in 2010, in an almost bored voice. He's tired of telling it. That's obvious. Don't people know it by now?

Didn't his fiancee's relatives call him "the famous guy" when they met at a Christmas party? Wasn't his application for a police job once rejected because his "background" wasn't suitable for employment? He took "background" to mean: "where they falsely accused me of being a coward."

Borrowing from a Buddhist tenet, Pogany says he longer attaches to, or detaches from, his story. He's even somewhat thankful for it, because it — and all the stuff that came with that terrible brand — made him who he is today.

He remembers the Army coming to his house and confiscating his gun and then assigning him to sweep parking lots, pick up cigarette butts, and clean toilets. He endured by working with his lawyer to research military regulations and learn the medical retirement process inside and out. He studied the bible of psychiatry, the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders," which still sits within arm's reach of his desk at his home near downtown Denver.

He had to fight to clear his name even while trying to figure out what was wrong with him. There were medical tests, treatment for Lariam toxicity and, eventually, sessions with a therapist, yoga classes, studies in Buddhism.

"Life in itself became combat for me," he says. "I did exactly what they train us to do: Assess the enemy situation ... and figure out how I can outmaneuver" these guys.

He also learned what it meant to feel true despair, to sit alone in his bedroom, getting comfortable with the idea of shooting himself just to make it all end. And he discovered how vital it was to have someone to turn to in those times.

His lawyer, Richard Travis, remembers the phone calls, and the tears.

"He was just treated so poorly. It's kind of like when you've got the nice loyal dog and you start kicking him around and the dog looks at you like, `What are you doing? What did I do to deserve this?'"

Eventually, that dog might bite.

Was there ever some deliberate pledge to not let it happen to anyone else? Not exactly; Pogany just needed a job.

Steve Robinson, the former executive director of the National Gulf War Resource Center, stepped in and asked Pogany to

work as an advocate on behalf of soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Robinson's instructions: Find people who need help. And help them.

"There's something very empowering about helping yourself and then turning around and using that energy to help other people. That," says Robinson, "is the story of Andrew."

___

The soldier isn't five minutes out of the law office when Pogany begins formulating a battle plan.

First step: an e-mail to the top commander at Fort Carson. "`Request emergency meeting with you because your commanders ... are actively engaged in causing suicides.' Or something like that. See how he responds," Pogany says.

He's in mission mode again. It began the moment he spoke with the soldier by phone a few days earlier. A counselor in Colorado Springs apparently gave the man Pogany's name.

"The coward" has become the one to call if a service member may be getting the shaft.

By now, Pogany can't even count how many cases he's worked or soldiers he's met. Hundreds, he estimates. A few guys he advised while going through his own medical retirement started referring people to him. And the calls and e-mails kept coming.

There were mothers begging for help for sons back from war. Wives wondering what was wrong with their husbands, and not sure how to get military commanders to listen.

People like Teresa Mischke, who says her husband, Darren, came back from his second deployment to Iraq in 2006 a changed man. In March 2007, Darren was arrested in Colorado Springs on a domestic violence charge after jumping on top of Teresa's car. He pleaded guilty, and suddenly faced an Army discharge.

Teresa says she went to Darren's commanders for help, to no avail. Then she got Pogany's number.

"He would go to the general," she recalls. " He would downright say, `Hey, you cannot do this. If you do this, we'll do a, b, c.'"

Doctors eventually diagnosed Darren with PTSD and a brain injury. Pogany's old lawyer took on the domestic abuse charge, and the case was dismissed. He remains in the Army, assigned now to Fort Carson's Warrior Transition Battalion, which aims to rehabilitate wounded soldiers. Instead of a discharge without benefits, Darren is going through the medical retirement process as he continues both cognitive behavioral therapy and counseling.

Teresa's heard others criticize Pogany for "throwing rocks at Fort Carson." She says: "If somebody didn't throw rocks, where would these guys be? What if there weren't people like Andrew?"

Justin Taylor, who served three tours in Iraq and was medically retired from the Army after Pogany intervened, explains it this way: "As soldiers, you have the chain of command. You have to watch what you say. Andrew, he can play the mean cop all he wants. He was the spokesman for soldiers who were scared to say anything."

It's true that Pogany's style hasn't won him many fans at his old Army base, where he has done most of his advocacy work — first with Robinson's organization, then as an investigator with Veterans for America and theNational Veterans Legal Services Program.

Col. George Brandt, the senior behavioral health officer at the base hospital at Fort Carson, questioned whether Pogany goes too far — to the point of exaggerating the facts of a case — to get action.

"I respect Andy. He has brought things to my attention where we've made a difference," Brandt said. "My issue with Mr. Pogany is a systematic misrepresentation of facts. He needs to not sacrifice his integrity to make points."

Brandt said he couldn't cite specifics or comment on individual cases, because of base policies.

Pogany is, undoubtedly, persistent. He'll e-mail not only top commanders at Carson, but Peter Chiarelli, vice chief of staff of the Army. He'll shop soldiers' stories to the media.

Robert Alvarez, a Colorado Springs therapist who has worked dozens of cases with Pogany, defends Pogany's work ethic. Alvarez says they've both walked away from cases after finding soldiers were bending the truth.

If Pogany is politically incorrect or irate, even, it's because of the stakes, Alvarez says.

"We're dealing with life or death matters. ... Let me tell you: That guy cares about soldiers. Bottom line."

___

On Pogany's night stand at home sits a carving given to him by the mother of a soldier he once helped. It's the Hindu deity Ganesha, "Lord of success and destroyer of evils and obstacles."

The Mischkes and Justin Taylor — they are success stories. And there've been others, notably a court ruling this year that allows thousands of Iraq and Afghanistan war vets to join a class-action lawsuit alleging the military denied appropriate benefits to those suffering from PTSD. Pogany helped push for the case, brought by the National Veterans Legal Services Program.

But there have also been too many tragedies, including the suicide of a soldier with whom Pogany served.

The stories become too much after a while. His blood boils because of them, because seven years after his own fight with the military brought so many issues to light, other problems remain — and others soldiers still struggle.

It's never been about payback, he says, but rather the very thing the military preaches: Duty.

"Those of us who have come home and have survived this war ... we have an obligation to help those who come home and struggle. We must help them, because if we don't ... not only are we breaking a sacred promise we've made to them, we're also dishonoring the memory of those who have not come home," Pogany says.

Last November, Pogany was hired as director of military outreach and education for the organization Give an Hour, which enlists volunteers to provide counseling to soldiers returning from war.

The advocacy work is all on the side now.

With his latest case, Pogany got that meeting with the base commander. Fort Carson doctors reviewed the soldier's case, and he's in the process of being transferred into the Warrior Transition Battalion for help and, most likely, a medical retirement.

Maybe he'll be a success story, too.

Pogany would like to step back, and focus on life and his fiancee and his baby, a smiling blue-eyed boy named Charlie. He is training another ex-military man to take on his advocacy work. And yet every time he tries to say he's "done," another sad story draws him back in.

And then he finds himself back in Colorado Springs, reviewing medical files, missing Charlie's bedtime and hoping another soldier can hang on, the way he somehow managed to hang on. By fighting.

___

Pauline Arrillaga is a national writer for The Associated Press, based in Phoenix. She can be reached at features(at)ap.org.

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About Robots

clock April 8, 2010 06:20 by author lloyd

 

A bit more about Dennis Hong

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University or not?

clock April 7, 2010 10:26 by author lloyd

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article741397.ece

While this argument may send a shiver down many a middle-class parent’s spine it seems to be gaining momentum among young people and employers. The number of graduates is increasing at a faster rate than the economy. Research shows that three years after finishing their studies 40 per cent of recent graduates are in jobs that don’t require a degree. Drop-out rates for some courses are more than a third.

When the average new-graduate salary is about £14,000 yet a non-graduate trainee business manager at McDonald’s can expect a starting package of £18,000, who could blame teenagers for asking whether a degree is really worth the hassle? You can still get a decently paid job without letters after your name. Just ask a journalist.

A book recently published in America is adding fuel to the fire: 300 Best Jobs Without a Four-Year Degree uses data from the US Department of Labour and the Census Bureau to show that many of America’s top-paying occupations — in, for example, law enforcement, construction, administration and transport — don’t demand candidates who have been to university.

Its No 1 example is the job of air-traffic controller, which in the UK can command a salary of more than £80,000. In fact, it says, eight of the Top Ten fastest-growing occupations don’t require a degree.

A similar picture is emerging in Britain. As the Government pushes towards its target of 50 per cent of school-leavers going into higher education, a recent study of more than 28 million UK jobs found that only 32 per cent were “knowledge based” — ie, traditionally requiring a degree. Some experts believe that Government forecasts that 80 per cent of the jobs created by 2010 will need a degree are overblown. Anyway, when there are roofers and plumbers earning £1,000 a week, why are we so preoccupied with paper qualifications?

Philip Green, head of the Arcadia group, left school at 15 with no qualifications and says he is far less bothered about whether a potential employee has a degree than he is about their initiative, common sense and hunger to do the job. Many young people, he says, drift into university because they are unsure of what else to do, or because they don’t want to disappoint their parents, and that there is a “lack of open discussion” about the alternatives.

Two years ago Green, worth an estimated £3.6 billion, set up the Fashion Retail Academy for 16 to 18-year-olds who don’t want to go to university. Its emphasis is on experience within the workplace and was inspired by what he saw as a scarcity of practical talent in retail. “I was frustrated by the lack of people coming through who had proper trading and market knowledge that they had learnt at street level as I did,” he says. “There aren’t the people getting the grounding in the old-fashioned way (today). There is a lack of trading experience.” He says that often when he interviews graduates for jobs and asks them why they did a certain degree they can’t give a definitive answer and say that they went to university because they thought that was what they were supposed to do.

Linda Graham runs the graduate programme at Marks & Spencer, but she says: “We are just as focused on encouraging people who did not go to university to make their way up into senior roles. Our careers framework ensures that people with the right qualities and skills can progress from customer assistant right through to store manager and beyond.”

A British book, What Can I Do With No Degree? (£11.99, Trotman), lists more than 100 good jobs from the Civil Service to pharmacy technicians that dispense with the need for university. Did you know, for example, that you can train as an airline pilot without a degree, or that legal executives can go on to qualify as solicitors without holding a degree (though, be warned, the process can be slow)? “Some people are doers not learners,” says Margaret McAlpine, the book’s author. “They flourish once they leave the classroom behind . . . such people often surprise themselves and others once they find themselves in a working situation that suits them.”

Many young people look at self-made millionaires such as Jamie Oliver, Richard Branson and Gordon Ramsay, none of whom went to university, and question the point of studying for three years. But, aside from entrepreneurs, employment experts say that there is not enough emphasis on the fact that young people can get perfectly good careers by training in ordinary jobs, earning while they learn.

And the degree is losing its currency as a trump card. Now that there are degrees in golf-course management, contemporary circus, stand-up comedy, there is a fear that they are increasingly regarded as ten-a-penny and that only degrees from the traditional, prestige universities carry any weight. Lloyd Dorfman, executive chairman and founder of Travelex, went to St Paul’s School, London, but not to university. He believes that although university is a “life widening ” experience for young people it is not always particularly relevant to employers.

“I’m not sure how successfully universities engage their students — the experience is probably sometimes better than the academic side,” he says. “From an employer point of view, I think there are two parts. There is the very top level of graduates, people coming out of universities with firsts. That is a powerful calling card, especially for the more intellectually demanding jobs. Outside those jobs, I am not sure what the significance of a degree is. I think it has been diluted. We are looking for people who give us a sense of commitment, who are conscientious and caring, and who are looking to make a contribution. Going to university doesn’t necessarily give you those qualities. More and more people are going to university now, and I am not sure that kids are convinced that a degree is a route to a job in the same way it once was.”

Katja Hall, head of employment, employee relations and diversity at the CBI, says that demand from employers for higher skills is growing, especially to A level and above, and that the Leitch report predicts that by 2020 42 per cent of jobs will be filled by people with degrees. But she adds: “In terms of degrees, employers are more concerned with quality not quantity, and especially the lack of generic skills. Our Employment Trends Survey found that 20 per cent of employers were dissatisfied with the communication, team-working, problem-solving and IT skills of graduates.”

A glance at the technology website digg.com shows how disillusioned many graduates are with their qualifications. Claire Welbourn, 22, who graduated from Lincoln University, writes: “I have been searching for the right job since leaving uni, however I agree — graduates are unemployable. Had I the choice to go back I would not choose to attend university. Climbing the ladder from the bottom is easier than trying to start halfway. Most graduates could have achieved the same working positions through night classes or college at a fraction of the cost of a degree.”

Chris, from North Wales, writes that he was told all his life that having a degree was the key to a good job. After graduating with an honours degree he worked as a sales assistant in Woolworths for 18 months and then in a call-centre. None of the businesses he applied to wanted him because he had no experience. Now he is an IT process designer. “With all the degrees available now the market is flooded with graduates,” he says. “I do believe working to gain experience really does work.”

Indeed as The Mismanagement of Talent, a book by two political economists which challenges the Government’s plans for university expansion, states: “The reality is that one can be employable and unemployed. In such circumstances a university degree is rather like a mortgage endowment policy — past returns are no guarantee of future performance.”

This said, of course, your three years at university are often the best of your life. Education benefits society in many ways. Graduates are more likely to vote, to give to charity, to do voluntary work. But, as Lloyd Dorfman says, it might just not be right for you.

“I was going to be a barrister, but I didn’t like the studying. I went into the City to gain as much commercial experience as possible, and it turned out to be a baptism of fire,” he says. “It was the time of the oil crisis, the miners’ strike, the three-day working week. For a 21-year-old working in a merchant bank it was an incredible apprenticeship. If I had gone to university, I would not have had that experience, or got that incredible grounding.”

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Tough is the life of archaeologists

clock April 7, 2010 06:06 by author lloyd

As explained in this article:

Archaeologist Tired Of Unearthing Unspeakable Ancient Evils

http://www.theonion.com/articles/archaeologist-tired-of-unearthing-unspeakable-anci,1448/

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Idea really worth spreading

clock April 6, 2010 08:17 by author lloyd

Here is a talk from TED on disease prevention and rational decision. A fascinating mix!

Elizabeth Pisani: Sex, drugs and HIV -- let's get rational

 

And on TED:
http://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_pisani_sex_drugs_and_hiv_let_s_get_rational_1.html

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University of Central Florida Researchers Confirm Battery Breakthrough Developed by Planar Energy | Business Wire

clock March 1, 2010 11:10 by author lloyd

 

One more of those battery revolution!

University of Central Florida Researchers Confirm Battery Breakthrough Developed by Planar Energy | Business Wire

Can’t wait to see it on the market…

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A few TED Videos

clock February 27, 2010 20:45 by author lloyd

This week-end I had an unfortunate supply interruption for the tablet to fight (and win!) against my chronic sickness… bad and sad! Consequently I stayed home and watched videos…

Here is a few hand picked one

About India and “soft” power (nice)

 

And 3 interesting one about law (how it’s implemented, not the concept! Wink) and how it’s harming everyday life (particularly in the US!), innovation and creativity!



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MCS, Celiac Disease, Leaky gut, the fight goes on…

clock November 17, 2009 06:16 by author lloyd

I want to post here a summary of my finding and progress in my fight against Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS), Celiac disease and leaky gut syndrome. I think it important, MCS is more or less a mysterious hopeless worsening sickness. Anyone who beat it should share his (her) experience for the other! And I’m beating it, I think

My health worsen slowly for many year without knowing what it was, but thanks to the internet I discovered in March (2009) that I had MCS. In my case it took about 12 years to go from benign to painful. Then I somehow discovered that car pollution made it worse. It has been almost 18 years now!

About MCS I already said a lot there. I’m taking Martin Pall’s tablet, I think they help, I think they would be necessary for a while (as MCS maintain itself as he explains so well in his book). But while Martin Pall explain how the sickness worsen and the sensitivity increases he doesn’t explain the ultimate causes as to why it started in the first place. Although he has some hypothesis, such as nutrient deficiency which seems to be spot on in my case.

Fact is, once I knew I had MCS I checked a local doctor who knew about it (and here I should thanks the pharmacist who directed me to this doctor, I learn then that it pays to ask your pharmacist!). This local doctor had me take a blood test, and I was all good except for a slight reaction to gluten. I had a weak case of celiac disease. This doctor told me that MCS often starts with Gluten and/or casein intolerance. Casein a protein in milk and, just so you know, casein intolerance is different from lactose intolerance.

It should be noted that celiac disease often damage the gut and lead to, amongst other thing, “digestive problem” where food is not digested (hence nutrient deficiency mentioned earlier) and undigested food goes into the blood stream (which cause all sorts of other problem).

At first I ignored him but, as I was still not well, (despite me taking Martin Pall’s tablet) and worse I still had huge, unexplained and sudden variation in my well being I started to pay attention to my food and reduce gluten.

It helped! but it was not enough!
I realized there was more than gluten that was harmful to me.

On a web page I can’t find anymore I found about Leaky gut syndrome with some food to avoid (some of them was food I discovered didn’t agree me). It also said to avoid “food you are allergic to”, while it’s rather unspecific I had recently read an article in New Scientist about how the body could acquire allergies. Leaky gut cause the same nutrient deficiency as gluten intolerance but much more acutely! I think it’s what I have and had in the first place, I think it is the ultimate cause of my sickness.

Anyway, after 4 month of painful experimentation I found a rather complete list of food which contribute to my problem (gluten: definitely, vinegar: definitely, milk: yes but curiously cheese and ice cream are alright, soy bean and sauce: definitely, peppermint tea: definitely)(and I can’t have most chilly paste made with vinegar, but I have no problem with sweet chilly (also with vinegar), strange but true).

Since then I avoid them and my conditions greatly (and slowly) improved. I’m almost well at work now! And I moved to a more urban place which was initially painful but is alright now. And I had no more mysterious variation in my pain level.

Even better, suddenly, 3 weeks ago, I started to be less hungry and my compulsive eating reduced greatly. Probably I was a compulsive eater because of I was malnourished hey!

Well that’s almost all but I think there is an easy way to check out if you have leaky gut. Well this is something which I deduce by myself and seems reasonable but I’m no doctor so take it with a grain of salt. As it started when I was a kid (I think now) and came very progressively I didn’t realize it at first, but I think my poo was not right. It was quite sticky and thin. It’s not how it should be, it should look like a fat sausage and be a bit dry and not sticky. I didn’t know it was not right as it happen so slowly it seems natural, but in retrospect I think that’s a good waning sign that something was not quite right in my gut and I (and anyone else) should pay attention to that!

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My Dad is dead

clock September 7, 2009 06:05 by author lloyd

I think it fitting, as I was planning to blog again, that I start with this important, sad and recent news.

Bernard Dupont, born in 1944, gone in 2009, Rest in peace.

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40 Days into Martin Pall treatment

clock April 20, 2009 14:15 by author lloyd

The good, the bad and the ugly…

As I said in my previous blog entry about 1 month ago I started a treatment against my life long chronic condition. Here are the latest update on the topic!

Now I understand better what’s going on so here is a summary.

I have Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (MCS), it has slowly worsen over the course of nearly 20 years. Martin Pall has a theory on how it works. It all start with some undetermined initial stressor of some receptor (possibly some smell receptor and some vanilloid receptor, whatever that is) which, for some reason, trigger an inflammatory response. The brain takes notice and pay more attention to whatever trigger cause the reaction (in my case car exhaust) and start to develop more synapse (hence sensitivity) just for this trigger, which cause more pain, which cause more brain attention.

And there you are, a vicious cycle of brain training / ever increased sensitivity is starting.

Martin Pall treatment is to reduce the Nitrous Oxide cycle, key element in the inflammatory response, hence reducing all the symptoms. And indeed it works. After 29 days taking it I was finally able to spend a whole day at work without any illness related problem (such as pain, heat flushes, brain fog, general unease, great tiredness).

But there are 2 problems:

  1. The real problem is not the pain but the brain training. Getting rid of the Nitrous Oxide stop the vicious cycle of the brain training, and the brain can start to forget. But it’s likely to take years to forget a 20 years long training. Which brings me to the second problem:
  2. There are side effects! In my case my muscles started to get stiff, as if I was about to have cramps. And, I think, some light headedness as well. Which makes it difficult in the long term.

I stopped for 5 days. Big mistake! I felt so much worse. Because, you see, the brain training is still there (will be for a long time).

Now is a good time to mention that I should thanks The Environmental Illness Resource web site, created by a fellow sufferer, for putting me on the right track after so many years of hopeless worsening suffering!

In one of my thread how to get rid of the sensitivity in MCS?, on this website’s online forum, Maff (creator of the website) told me that he was able to get rid of MCS, thanks to DHEA, and he has a little theory on why it works (basically DHEA is an hormone which tranquilize the brain). I believe now that DHEA might help to get rid of the brain training “relatively quickly”. I think I’ll try it. (BTW DHEA require a prescription in Australia).

Also I think I’ll reduce some component of the Martin Pall treatment. After much Googling, I decided to reduce the MVM-A from 2 capsule 3 times a day to 1 capsule 3 times a day, will see.

Ho, and the latest element of information. Following Martin Pall own recommendations I tried to get the product from the Allergy Research Group’s website. But it’s only for doctor and they advised Nutricology for patients. And while they do deliver the product, their customer service is a bit clueless and I’m anxiously waiting for a second shipment (this time with DHEA as well) which is quite long to arrive, if it is even on its way! And the UPS tracker link on their order summary page doesn’t seems to work. So I Googled a bit more and found the ProHealth website which also sells Martin Pall products, for much cheaper too! I think they would be my next supplier!

And that’s the latest news! Stay tuned for more news about the fight of one man against an hopelessly crushing sickness finally brought to halt!…

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